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The most clarifying conversation I’ve had on Trump and Russia


January 08, 2018 08:00

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What really happened between the Trump campaign and the Russian government?
The investigation into that question has rocked American politics. The FBI
director was fired over it. The attorney general might get fired over it. The
president’s former campaign manager and his original national security adviser
were charged with crimes as part of it. The president himself might ultimately
be charged with obstruction of justice for his response to it. It’s also a
devilishly difficult story to follow, with information coming out in half-true
dribs and drabs, new names grabbing headlines and then disappearing for weeks,
and countless threads that need to somehow be stitched into a coherent whole.
Which is why I asked Susan Hennessey to join the podcast this week. Hennessey,
a former lawyer at the National Security Agency, is a fellow at the Brookings
Institution and managing editor of Lawfare, which has done extraordinary work
both tracking and driving this story. And in this conversation, she pulls it
all together in ways I found extremely clarifying, and occasionally
horrifying. This is a conversation about the big picture of the Russia
investigation: what we know and what we don’t know, what Robert Mueller has
actually promised to deliver, what collusion really means, how Trump’s aides
could have done what they’ve been accused of doing, and much more. Read more
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